CRAWLEY TORY SAGA continues today and has taken a new turn after it emerged that the "main cheerleader" for 'Landslide No Confidence' former Chairman Lee Gilroy and Deputy Karl Williamson, who both defected to UKIP on Monday, had forwarded sensational emails to every councillor at Crawley Council on Tuesday evening, tbg can exclusively reveal.
The unsuccessful Conservative Candidate in Broadfield North in 2012 has caused uproar sensationally claiming that both Crawley MP Henry Smith and Crawley Council Leader Bob Lanzer, had stolen the 'intellectual property' of his business plan to fix the Country.
A tbg source exclusively reveals - "He is still a Tory Party member who has become peed off with the association because of the corruption and Henry stealing his business ideas. The health tourism bill were his ideas and never got any credit in the chamber."
In leaked emails to the wife of Crawley Tory MP Henry Smith, the former candidate says - "Since 2010 I have been slowly working with Henry on a national business plan which is endorsed by No.10". In another email to her he wrote - "Ask Henry about a letter from No.10 from [name redacted] via the PM telling me to continue working with Henry who will brief the PM on progress."
When repeatedly politely asked by Henry Smith's wife to stop making extraordinary claims of working with and representing the Crawley MP, the Tory member replied to her by writing - "If your telling everyone I'm not working with him your the obstacle to progress."
Mrs Smith's response to this was - "I saw the letter, We've spoken to No.10. Frankly they called us and Henry asked them to be civil about it, that you meant well etc." It is believed that many MPs and the PM frequently receive letters from the outspoken former council candidate about his hand written business plan that will "fix the Country".
Another tbg local source said - "No one is surprised by such claims and has also been contacting major international companies in Crawley falsely claiming to represent the MP. Lets hope he follows his friends Lee Gilroy and Karl Williamson in defecting to UKIP. He would fit in perfectly in UKIP and be with like-minded people."
The former Conservative Candidate in Broadfield is believed to be no longer on the Conservative's candidate list and it is suspected his close friendship with both Tory turncoats Lee Gilroy and Karl Williamson was what enabled him to be a candidate for Crawley Council last year.
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Sticks and stones. And it's come from someone in the conservative group. Sad isn't it when you want to do good for others because it is just in your character then you discover corruption in the group you are part of you complain about one person to the party board who cover it up. Meaning that that the villains win then the villains try to destroy your character completely.
And politicians wonder why no body has the time of day for them. The Crawley Conservatives are stuffed next May and they will only have themselves to blame and mocking somebody who has at some point given them all nothing but support is very low.
Maybe instead of mocking me and having leaders and mps steal members ideas that are all about job creation and spending time having meetings about irrelevant rubbish there should be more creativity and imagination allowed to break through. And then get on with putting people back to work which current politicians aren't doing quickly enough.
Simon. If your efforts are not appreciated by the Tories then you should leave this sinking ship and join UKIP who are Crawley's fastest growing party. You would be able to play a key part in plans to get more councillors elected.
Just a few corrections
1 I was acting chairman of Crawley west branch that included broadfield
2 I'm not peed off with the assoc it's the group in particular bob Lanzer
3 I've never mentioned anything about health tourism.
4 you can't work with other mps because of parliamentary protocol. It can only be done through your own mp. So he would know when I have as he did as an example with Heather Wheeler on the Bombardier rescue plan which went through the Bis and Dft.
5 my part in this is not to relay anything to the pm that was henrys job.
6 and who says it's handwritten. Only someone whose seen it would know what format it's in.
7 " no one is surprised by the crazy claims". What claims and who is surprised. Mention names.
8 I havnt written to any companies in Crawley claiming to be representing Henry. Working with and specifically yon what are the terms I've used. Words straight out of the PMs letter.
9 and I was able to be a candidate because I passed selection and interview with 100% support from members and group.
People who throw smelly mud should get their facts straight.
And what's with all this anonymity
Some gutless people out there posting as anonymous
Exactly. Unamed sources anonymous contributors. Not a real debate really is it.
@4.12 If not the health tourism bill, what are the ideas that the mp and council leader are alleged to have stolen?
think you should all take a chill pill and read this thread instead!
http://www.theblueguerilla.co.uk/2013/07/tories-together-in-lashional-interest.html
TORY TOT FOR TORY TOTTY
@4.12. Jen their too long to put on here.
too much time spent ranting and more time should be spent on sane projects and less of this crazy horse man
@5.55 Surely if ideas have been pinched and implemented, it would be easy to link to online what one of them was? Failing that its very easy to cut and paste here one of them from a document. This story is incomplete without knowing what the intellectual property was that was taken from you.
Exactly what these projects are about Richard. Nothing weird just things to right the mess this country is in.
@5,55 well Bob you would know all about that.
I wish that person posing as "Richard W. Symonds" (3 posts up)- who probably also posed as "Mr R. W. Symonds" previously- would desist in his/her madness - and go see a psychiatrist urgently. May I ask the moderator to check somehow. People could get seriously hurt. Thanks.
Where is this business plan, what does it contain and who has access to it? If secret policies from a third party have been implemented at Crawley Borough Council without any scrutiny by councillors, then the people of Crawley have a right to know what policies and when they came into being.
Richard - why has your Gatwick Ideas forum been displaying that the board is currently unavailable for the last few weeks? I particularly found the Maidenbower discussion a really good and enlightening read!
There's been many posts by this Simon Darroch fella but he has yet to divulge a single snippet of his business plan which he is claiming was stolen and used by an MP and a council leader. I find this informative when arriving at a conclusion as to whether it exists, or not.
It exists. Henrys read it himself.
Can't put it on here not enough room.
Sunshine: My forum is working perfectly as far as I know. I am puzzled at your Maidenbower reference as I have not noticed such discussion lately.
Simon: You are very welcome to join my forum and publish your business plan on there. Is it copyrighted?
You can put it somewhere else and link to it though.
Oh no, not again! This is getting beyond a joke.
Whoever it is posting as 'RW Symonds", "Richard W. Symonds" and "Richard Symonds" please stop.
Seriously weird.
Can everyone stop posting as Richard W. Symonds please. I am the real Richard W. Symonds the rest of you are Aliens.
Such stupidity means I have to act to stop this.
I will no longer be posting on this TBG website - in whatever form - not even as 'anonymous'. In that way, those who wish to know, will be able to discern fact from fiction.
It's trivial in one sense to play this silly game. In another sense, it's seriously dangerous.
How is it dangerous?
All these incarnations of Mr Symonds remind me of a "I'm Spartacus" moment.
Meanwhile Mr Darroch has not yet taken up the offers of either linking to his business plan from here or hosting it elsewhere such as on Mr Symonds' site. Why do I get the feeling this 'business plan' is just random ramblings that would instantly fall down flat under any public scrutiny? And that Mr Smith MP's role in all this has just been being polite and humouring him?
Who is karl Williamson ?
It's not for public consumption it's for political and private sector consideration. It's a business plan acknowledged by NO10. And it should be passing thru gov infrastructure but Mr Smith has decided to defy NO10s instructions and tell everyone that I contact that I'm not working with him. This means in a nutshell that lots of jobs aren't being created because projects across the country aren't being started. As far as locally is concerned Bob Lanzer has admitted to having a vendetta against me and burying ideas that could have improved the conditions for the towns residents Then banned me from everything. And Cchq have not done a thing. Which is why others have joined ukip. All Cchq had to do was stand Lanzer down as leader and so much damage could have been prevented. But instead Stephen philips covered it up.
Richard - it definitely keeps coming up "Sorry but this board is currently unavailable." Is your forum down or have you blocked me?
But who would have been leader if Lanzer had been stood down by CCHQ? How would that have helped?
Duncan Crow was all set to be leader and probably still have his sights on being leader of the council.
That will be bollocks as Crow is known to be Lanzer's right-hand man and would not have been part of any plot to blackmail Lanzer and remove him as leader. Indeed, he has been consistently smeared in comments on this site because he signed the no confidence against Gilroy and Williamson. The likely person they planned to replace Lanzer as leader will have been Liam Marshall-Ascough, another freemason...
@2.54 Lol Yes! The 'Crow leadership plot' and the 'Crow joins UKIP' stories were complete red herrings in this whole embarrassing saga for the Crawley tories. This has been confirmed by several Crawley councillors including both Lanzer and Crow. A look through comments on TBG shows they started here and most likely put out by the masonic tory faction to deflect from and hide their real plan. Whoever did it rightly calculated that the local press in Crawley have lazy journos that would run unsubstantiated anon rumours without checking any facts. What's new, lol!
simple simon says blah blah blah
crow probably is the right hand of lanzer considering the things they get up to Lanzer's hands are pretty full texting
@5.30 peter AKA Crowster trying to deflect from his leadership bid. Mr Lanzer don't be fooled he wants you gone and he wants to be leader and there are emails to prove it.
@1101 read my comments above about the plan. I'm not a councillor. I was a borough candidate in 2012. And you didn't read that i was drunk non of us were except bob Lanzer And that was only in internal emails to the conservative group. So 1101 you are part of group. And the papers havnt published anything about anyone drunk. So 1101 your a troll. Can bg stop the anonymous posts. No I'd no comment. Ask for email addresses and then bg has more cred.
A question going around Crawley is why Richard W Symonds has heavily featured in this topic when he is not a conservative and nothing to do with them?
One theory is that the Crawley business plan is not solely the work of Simon Darroch, but that it was co-authored by Richard Symonds but that Simon is claiming it all as his own work. This could explain why it has been covered up as it would be hugely embarrassing if it emerged parts of the plan came from outside the party.
At 1003 I can assure you Mr symmonds has had nothing to do with the plan and has joined this debate solely because he can. It's a public forum.
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